Comments on: Liturgy of the Eucharist (2)—Oct. 29 http://nickwagner.net Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:51:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Nick http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Nick Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:45:43 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-28 So just to clarify my enthusiasm for squelching enthusiasm :), class is class and parish is parish. Whenever I'm in an actual pastoral situation, the ideas and ideals we talk about in class are always subordinate to what's going to engender the most participation in the liturgy. I do think you have a terrific point, Heidi. I think that much of what we do in the rest of the liturgy often inhibits participation and therefore connection and community building. And because Catholics instinctively know that we are all about community, we make up for it in other ways by extending the sign of peace or holding hands during the Lord's Prayer. These are a sign of hope to me. I think it's good that we want to connect with each other in the liturgy and that we find ways to do it, no matter what the liturgical leaders are doing to inhibit us. However, since, most of us <i>are</i> the liturgical leaders, I think we have to work extra hard to make the rest of the liturgy feel like holding hands during the Lord's Pray feels. So just to clarify my enthusiasm for squelching enthusiasm :) , class is class and parish is parish. Whenever I’m in an actual pastoral situation, the ideas and ideals we talk about in class are always subordinate to what’s going to engender the most participation in the liturgy.

I do think you have a terrific point, Heidi. I think that much of what we do in the rest of the liturgy often inhibits participation and therefore connection and community building. And because Catholics instinctively know that we are all about community, we make up for it in other ways by extending the sign of peace or holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer.

These are a sign of hope to me. I think it’s good that we want to connect with each other in the liturgy and that we find ways to do it, no matter what the liturgical leaders are doing to inhibit us. However, since, most of us are the liturgical leaders, I think we have to work extra hard to make the rest of the liturgy feel like holding hands during the Lord’s Pray feels.

]]> By: Heidi http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Heidi Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:07:05 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-27 Hi All - Just thinking more about the Communion Rite; specifically, the Lord's Prayer and the Sign of Peace. Intellectually, I understand the reasons cited in class and in our readings about holding or not holding hands during the Our Father and the need to keep the Sign of Peace a ritual sign as opposed to an opportunity socialize. On the other hand, I think both of these underscore a sentiment (maybe a real NEED) for those in the congregation to connect with each other. I understand that it is not the sentiment that is inappropriate, but perhaps the timing and potential disruption during the climax of the liturgy. So, here's the question. How can we satisfy that need to connect, socialize and BE community when we come together on Sundays or for special liturgies? How do we nurture the sentiment and direct it to a more appropriate time and place? And, how can we do so without squelching the enthusiasm...especially with young people? Hmmmm..... Hi All -
Just thinking more about the Communion Rite; specifically, the Lord’s Prayer and the Sign of Peace. Intellectually, I understand the reasons cited in class and in our readings about holding or not holding hands during the Our Father and the need to keep the Sign of Peace a ritual sign as opposed to an opportunity socialize. On the other hand, I think both of these underscore a sentiment (maybe a real NEED) for those in the congregation to connect with each other. I understand that it is not the sentiment that is inappropriate, but perhaps the timing and potential disruption during the climax of the liturgy. So, here’s the question. How can we satisfy that need to connect, socialize and BE community when we come together on Sundays or for special liturgies? How do we nurture the sentiment and direct it to a more appropriate time and place? And, how can we do so without squelching the enthusiasm…especially with young people? Hmmmm…..

]]> By: Thao http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Thao Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:56:35 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-26 Hi Nick, I could not use my home computer for weeks, due to the viruses problem that I have to wait for my cousin come and clean them up for me. More I learned about Liturgy Document from the Church and more I realized the Holy Spirit is always guiding our Church through history and continue to the end of time. Hi Nick,
I could not use my home computer for weeks, due to the viruses problem that I have to wait for my cousin come and clean them up for me.
More I learned about Liturgy Document from the Church and more I realized the Holy Spirit is always guiding our Church through history and continue to the end of time.

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