Comments for Nick Wagner http://nickwagner.net Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:51:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 Comment on Open session—Jan. 28 by Nick http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/open-session/comment-page-1/#comment-30 Nick Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:51:47 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=254#comment-30 Thanks Alvaro. Great list! Thanks Alvaro. Great list!

]]> Comment on Open session—Jan. 28 by Alvaro http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/open-session/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Alvaro Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:34:21 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=254#comment-29 Hi everyone, While doing some research in preparation for our Jan. 28 session, I came across a few items of interest. I'm including the URLs of the websites and a brief comment on each. 1. Link to free online book "The Liturgy Committee Handbook" (1998, by Tom Baker and Frank Ferrone) Comment: I think, a worthwhile read. http://www.liturgycommittee.com/ 2. Link to article "Parish Liturgical Renewal" (1999, by Ian Rutherford) on catholicliturgy.com. Comment: I do not agree with all that the author has to say but I think he makes some good points. http://tinyurl.com/ddpnkq Link to America Magazine article: The Ministry of the Parish Liturgy Committee Comment: A wider perspective on the roles of the liturgy committee. Quite interesting. http://tinyurl.com/b6bn5w Link to Our Lady Queen of Angels Liturgy Committee website Comment: I found the Liturgy Committee Bulletins interesting as an example of continuing formation for the parish. I liked that the statement of purpose is in a visible place (accountability). http://www.olqa.org/liturgycommittee.php Link to mission statement document (St. Patrick's Church, East Hampton, CT) Comment: Ideas for a mission statement for those who don't have one. http://tinyurl.com/b369sv Hi everyone,

While doing some research in preparation for our Jan. 28 session, I came across a few items of interest. I’m including the URLs of the websites and a brief comment on each.

1. Link to free online book “The Liturgy Committee Handbook” (1998, by Tom Baker and Frank Ferrone)
Comment: I think, a worthwhile read.
http://www.liturgycommittee.com/

2. Link to article “Parish Liturgical Renewal” (1999, by Ian Rutherford) on catholicliturgy.com.
Comment: I do not agree with all that the author has to say but I think he makes some good points.
http://tinyurl.com/ddpnkq

Link to America Magazine article: The Ministry of the Parish Liturgy Committee
Comment: A wider perspective on the roles of the liturgy committee. Quite interesting.
http://tinyurl.com/b6bn5w

Link to Our Lady Queen of Angels Liturgy Committee website
Comment: I found the Liturgy Committee Bulletins interesting as an example of continuing formation for the parish. I liked that the statement of purpose is in a visible place (accountability).
http://www.olqa.org/liturgycommittee.php

Link to mission statement document (St. Patrick’s Church, East Hampton, CT)
Comment: Ideas for a mission statement for those who don’t have one.
http://tinyurl.com/b369sv

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (2)—Oct. 29 by Nick http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Nick Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:45:43 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-28 So just to clarify my enthusiasm for squelching enthusiasm :), class is class and parish is parish. Whenever I'm in an actual pastoral situation, the ideas and ideals we talk about in class are always subordinate to what's going to engender the most participation in the liturgy. I do think you have a terrific point, Heidi. I think that much of what we do in the rest of the liturgy often inhibits participation and therefore connection and community building. And because Catholics instinctively know that we are all about community, we make up for it in other ways by extending the sign of peace or holding hands during the Lord's Prayer. These are a sign of hope to me. I think it's good that we want to connect with each other in the liturgy and that we find ways to do it, no matter what the liturgical leaders are doing to inhibit us. However, since, most of us <i>are</i> the liturgical leaders, I think we have to work extra hard to make the rest of the liturgy feel like holding hands during the Lord's Pray feels. So just to clarify my enthusiasm for squelching enthusiasm :) , class is class and parish is parish. Whenever I’m in an actual pastoral situation, the ideas and ideals we talk about in class are always subordinate to what’s going to engender the most participation in the liturgy.

I do think you have a terrific point, Heidi. I think that much of what we do in the rest of the liturgy often inhibits participation and therefore connection and community building. And because Catholics instinctively know that we are all about community, we make up for it in other ways by extending the sign of peace or holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer.

These are a sign of hope to me. I think it’s good that we want to connect with each other in the liturgy and that we find ways to do it, no matter what the liturgical leaders are doing to inhibit us. However, since, most of us are the liturgical leaders, I think we have to work extra hard to make the rest of the liturgy feel like holding hands during the Lord’s Pray feels.

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (2)—Oct. 29 by Heidi http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-27 Heidi Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:07:05 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-27 Hi All - Just thinking more about the Communion Rite; specifically, the Lord's Prayer and the Sign of Peace. Intellectually, I understand the reasons cited in class and in our readings about holding or not holding hands during the Our Father and the need to keep the Sign of Peace a ritual sign as opposed to an opportunity socialize. On the other hand, I think both of these underscore a sentiment (maybe a real NEED) for those in the congregation to connect with each other. I understand that it is not the sentiment that is inappropriate, but perhaps the timing and potential disruption during the climax of the liturgy. So, here's the question. How can we satisfy that need to connect, socialize and BE community when we come together on Sundays or for special liturgies? How do we nurture the sentiment and direct it to a more appropriate time and place? And, how can we do so without squelching the enthusiasm...especially with young people? Hmmmm..... Hi All -
Just thinking more about the Communion Rite; specifically, the Lord’s Prayer and the Sign of Peace. Intellectually, I understand the reasons cited in class and in our readings about holding or not holding hands during the Our Father and the need to keep the Sign of Peace a ritual sign as opposed to an opportunity socialize. On the other hand, I think both of these underscore a sentiment (maybe a real NEED) for those in the congregation to connect with each other. I understand that it is not the sentiment that is inappropriate, but perhaps the timing and potential disruption during the climax of the liturgy. So, here’s the question. How can we satisfy that need to connect, socialize and BE community when we come together on Sundays or for special liturgies? How do we nurture the sentiment and direct it to a more appropriate time and place? And, how can we do so without squelching the enthusiasm…especially with young people? Hmmmm…..

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (2)—Oct. 29 by Thao http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-2/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Thao Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:56:35 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=69#comment-26 Hi Nick, I could not use my home computer for weeks, due to the viruses problem that I have to wait for my cousin come and clean them up for me. More I learned about Liturgy Document from the Church and more I realized the Holy Spirit is always guiding our Church through history and continue to the end of time. Hi Nick,
I could not use my home computer for weeks, due to the viruses problem that I have to wait for my cousin come and clean them up for me.
More I learned about Liturgy Document from the Church and more I realized the Holy Spirit is always guiding our Church through history and continue to the end of time.

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (1)—Oct. 22 by Alvaro http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-1/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Alvaro Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:37:33 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=66#comment-25 I enjoyed reading the sections on "The Breaking of the Bread" and "Communion" in Living Liturgy; particularly because it highlights the banquet aspect of the eucharist, while at the same time pointing to the reverence and respect due the Body and Blood of Christ (which, seemed to me to be the focus of the rubrics found in the GIRM). I try to remind myself of the balance between reverence and joy when approaching the altar to partake in the mystery. Too often all you see is somber faces among communicants (and ministers). I enjoyed reading the sections on “The Breaking of the Bread” and “Communion” in Living Liturgy; particularly because it highlights the banquet aspect of the eucharist, while at the same time pointing to the reverence and respect due the Body and Blood of Christ (which, seemed to me to be the focus of the rubrics found in the GIRM). I try to remind myself of the balance between reverence and joy when approaching the altar to partake in the mystery. Too often all you see is somber faces among communicants (and ministers).

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (1)—Oct. 22 by Alvaro http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-1/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Alvaro Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:20:58 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=66#comment-24 What is the origin and significance of the Lamb of God litany during the fraction rite? What is the origin and significance of the Lamb of God litany during the fraction rite?

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (1)—Oct. 22 by Nick http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-1/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Nick Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:15:44 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=66#comment-23 <h3>Listening as a leadership skill</h3><br><br> Hi everyone. We talked about focusing on listening as a leadership skill this week. A while back, I wrote something about listening skills for RCIA sponsors. The principles apply to any situation that calls for good listening. You can read what I wrote <a href="http://teamrcia.com/2008/09/02/listening-skills-for-rcia-sponsors/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> if you are interested.<br><br> —Nick Listening as a leadership skill

Hi everyone. We talked about focusing on listening as a leadership skill this week. A while back, I wrote something about listening skills for RCIA sponsors. The principles apply to any situation that calls for good listening. You can read what I wrote here if you are interested.

—Nick

]]> Comment on Liturgy of the Eucharist (1)—Oct. 22 by Nick http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/liturgy-of-the-eucharist-1/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Nick Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:54:01 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=66#comment-22 Hi everyone. This is the quote I read in class from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dillard" rel="nofollow">Annie Dillard</a>: <blockquote>Angels, I read, belong to nine different orders. Seraphs are the highest; they are aflame with love for God, and stand closer to him than the others. Seraphs love God.... The seraphs are born of a stream of fire issuing from under God’s throne. <br><br> They are, according to Dionysius the Areopagite, “all wings,” having, as Isaiah notes, six wings apiece, two of which they fold over their eyes. Moving perpetually toward God, they perpetually praise him, crying “Holy, Holy, Holy….” <br><br> But according to some rabbinic writings, they can sing only the first “Holy” before the intensity of their love ignites them and dissolves them again, perpetually, into flames.<br><br> <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Firm-Annie-Dillard/dp/0060915439/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224809246&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Holy the Firm</a></i>, p. 45.</blockquote> And, if you want to see the painting of the Seraphs with their eyes covered in the the Great Hall at St. John's University, <a href="http://www.csbsju.edu/greathall/christ.htm" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.<br><br> --Nick Hi everyone. This is the quote I read in class from Annie Dillard:

Angels, I read, belong to nine different orders. Seraphs are the highest; they are aflame with love for God, and stand closer to him than the others. Seraphs love God…. The seraphs are born of a stream of fire issuing from under God’s throne.

They are, according to Dionysius the Areopagite, “all wings,” having, as Isaiah notes, six wings apiece, two of which they fold over their eyes. Moving perpetually toward God, they perpetually praise him, crying “Holy, Holy, Holy….”

But according to some rabbinic writings, they can sing only the first “Holy” before the intensity of their love ignites them and dissolves them again, perpetually, into flames.

Holy the Firm, p. 45.

And, if you want to see the painting of the Seraphs with their eyes covered in the the Great Hall at St. John’s University, click here.

–Nick

]]> Comment on Designing Ritual by IRMA HARO http://nickwagner.net/ilm/liturgy-track-2008-2009/designing-ritual/comment-page-1/#comment-21 IRMA HARO Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:16:42 +0000 http://nickwagner.net/?page_id=20#comment-21 My husband and I attend different Masses. Depends if we voluteering or time permitting. Taking care of my mother. This week I attended another parish I always feel welcomed, In the 1st min.a short catechsis on Mass ,explained the readings. Before the closing prayer the pastor annouced if there was anyone celebrating their birthday or anniversery to come to the front for a blessing. I personnally think that's make you feel a sense of belonging. then does closing prayer. Music was great. My husband and I attend different Masses. Depends if we voluteering or time permitting. Taking care of my mother. This week I attended another parish I always feel welcomed, In the 1st min.a short catechsis on Mass ,explained the readings. Before the closing prayer the pastor annouced if there was anyone celebrating their birthday or anniversery to come to the front for a blessing. I personnally think that’s make you feel a sense of belonging. then does closing prayer. Music was great.

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